Dude, I think this is too much.

most of your reasoning against Olivia seems to be the speculation that her relationship with joe and her desperate need for publicity fueled everything. that's all just assumption. I think she acted more as a whistleblower to the supposed actions of JK to let others know not to be in the same situation. she did not sue probably not to permanently damage old friendships. she did not leave because she wanted to stay, while being compensated. she also said she'll release emails if jk allows. 

tempestoflife:

capitanhysteria:

Hi, thanks for your message. I appreciate the feedback and I look forward to more messages like this from other people just so we, the viewers, can have a healthy line of communication. One where we don’t need to bash each other and troll.

Now, on to your message: Speculations. I would like to reiterate that what you read was my take on the story, based on videos, observations and facts.

If she was, as per your belief, a whistle blower, then she should have gone somewhere else for her expose. And if she is a whistle blower, she should have known that her next step is to go to court and not to the public. This is beginning to look like trial by publicity.

Her SISTER is a LAWYER. If what she said is true at the beginning of the video that all she wants is to get paid and it’s nothing personal, then she should have seek the help of her sister who is completely capable of getting her what she wants, if it can be proven.

My observations are also based on the succeeding facts: Olivia admitted via a comment on her own video that she was in a meeting with the upper management of JKF prior to beginning to work with them to make sure that she will agree to an “unpaid internship.” The fact that she continued to work after that meeting just means that she was okay with it.

Even if we disregard the fact that Joe and him are together then, and no longer are now, everything still seems shady.

I would, however, say that JKF not releasing a statement only helps some people make assumptions. But I read in NMR that they are going to release one soon, so we should all look forward to that.

I also impose the following questions:

1. When did Olivia become acquainted with JKF and how did it happen?
2. Is it true that Olivia and Joe were in a relationship during her stint as a member of JKF?
3. When she was done with the 12 months of “unpaid internship” which she agreed on during the meeting, did she ask JKF about a formal job or compensation for her succeeding months of work?
4. If not, when did she raise her concern about being an “unpaid intern?”
5. The date stated above, was it during her relationship with Joe or after they broke up?
6. Did she or did she not share a house with the JK crew?
7. She said that she sometimes finds a crew shooting at her home without her knowledge. As a part of the JKF crew, did she not get copies of scripts from the upper management?
8. Did she or did she not receive compensation for the 6 months after her unpaid internship?

I would also like us to analyze the fact that production members, except if they are COMPLETELY OFFICE BASED, are not paid by the hour. This is just the truth.

Another point I would like us all to think about, “unpaid internships” does not really exist. PAID INTERNSHIP does. Normally, internships are not paid because they originated as a form to get college credits. And although admittedly, interns are helpful to any organization, companies can do without them. An intern should be paid if without him or her, the company would stop operation. That clearly did not happen when Olivia left.

If all interns will be paid minimum wage, then why on earth are they called interns and not employees?

And since everyone is already invested in this unpaid internship  thing, let’s go deeper into the YouTube scene. If this is the case, then a lot of the YouTube personalities we all watch and love are guilty. Take for example Meghan Camarena a.k.a. Strawburry17. Her company has a team of writers who are not paid for their contributions. I know because a friend of mine applied for the position. I guess, all of those who support Olivia should all be revolting against her too?

We’re also not sure that ALL INTERNS, as Olivia says, is not being paid. As per the law, as long as someone is receiving any form of compensation from a company for a job done, that is PAYMENT.

If I missed anything, then please, do let me know. In the end, I do hope that they can settle it out among themselves. They were, after all, once friends.

i know I just sent a message but I forgot I could just reblog so i dont have a text limit lol >_> but yeah i’m not sure how else she’d be a whistleblower cause no one would listen if she was anonymous. i dont think the point is the money nor any personal stuff, i think it was more about the awareness so ppl know what jk did and others dont get caught in the same situation. and she waited for jk to compensate her cause she wanted to stay with jk and her friends etc

regarding ur questions, (lets ignore the joe stuff for now) idk about #1 but #3 yes she asked for compensation and received about $1200 for the work she had done for over a year (it was received late, too.) I believe she then raised the concern that she was not being paid enough, and that she could not be treated as an unpaid/underpaid intern and not be paid for what she has done if the company does not follow the procedure (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2013/04/19/6-legal-requirements-for-unpaid-internship-programs/) and they were obviously benefiting from her work with them. #6 i believe she said she provided HER house, and #7 I think it was probably the kind of scenario where it was just a jk skit she wasn’t involved in, so she had no warning about it. and #8 she was only paid the one check of $1200 for the entire 18 months, and even during her “internship” period if she didn’t fit those guidelines, she should’ve been paid at least minimum wage. actors ARE classified as workers entitled to AT LEAST minimum wage although they are not always paid hourly. and in her video she stated she did a lot of office work as well, running meetings, creating systems for running justkiddingnews, etc. though we can’t really be sure if the hour figures she’s giving us is accurate, with the hundreds of videos and 18 months of work $1200 does seem awfully small.

unpaid internships do exist, but only under those 6 regulations in that link i mentioned. interns do not have to be paid if they are so vital to a company that they would stop operation without them, they have to be paid if they do not follow those 6 guidelines. and like i said before, it was clearly not all olivia’s benefit but ialso JK’s benefit with her work which does not deem her eligible to be unpaid as an intern.

interns supposed to be allowed to be unpaid if they are receiving education and benefit and the company does not derive immediate benefit. interns are paid if their work does immediately benefit the company, and they can still be called interns because they may still be learning the ropes as well but that terminology isn’t really that important.

i dont know about strawburry17, but if what you said is true and she is receiving profits off her videos and she is deriving benefit from “hired” unpaid workers then yes, that is what olivia is talking about when she says that she wants to stop this common malpractice from happening (hence, whistleblowing.). if they just wrote a video or two then they can be deemed volunteers, but it is ILLEGAL for companies to have any kind of long term worker who benefits the for-profit company even if the person volunteers.

we don’t know specifically what’s going on with the other interns at JK but if this happened to her then it may be safe to guess that others may be treated this way as well, whether they are ok with it or not it is still illegal. and no, any form of compensation is not payment. then that means olivia could have been paid a penny for 18 months of work and that’s ok. again actors are still classified as employees and are required at least minimum wage no matter how they are compensated and anything below that is illegal.

thanks for the polite reply. im glad we can have a healthy mode of communication without any bitterness too, I mean although I’m defending olivia’s case right now I don’t have any personal siding with her or something. i’ve been a jk fan since the very beginning with the unco gangster dance party and korean history channel and ive consistently kept up with and enjoyed justkiddingnews for months maybe even over a year now and it sucks thinking about something like this being true and feeling like not supporting them anymore. i can’t even really say i’m fully on her side yet until i hear JK’s response either imo. let me know what u think about what i said above, i think it should be addressed before we start thinking about if the olivia/joe thing is fishy or not :P

Oh hey there. I’ve read this kinda late so I’ve already answered some of your points on another post. But here are the rest. :)

I’ve already explained the 6 criteria, but would like to add that there’s a section about job entitlement. Since Olivia agreed to a year of internship, and if for example, JKF met the 6 criteria, the law would have to side with JKF. See, the internship should be of a fixed duration, established prior to the outset of the internship which has been done, as Olivia said in one of her comments.

Since this is the case, Olivia really, if she was by that time an employee, should only receive 6 months worth of compensation.

This can go two way: was she paid by the hour (which, as previously stated isn’t the case for production companies) or was she paid per project?

If by the hour, how many hours was she in the office and working, excluding lunch breaks and her trips? If she’s paid per gig, how many projects did she participate on during those six months?

Seems to me that 1200 is actually a fair compensation.

On your concern regarding the house, she just can’t not receive a script? Most of us have worked in companies and we know that most of the time, even if we do not know anything about a project or a memo, we receive an email about it. Remember, Daniel (JK Daniel, not Daniel Olivia Duo) was invited to a shoot each time even though he was no longer in town and studying. How come Olivia isn’t receiving the invites?

There. Anyone care to put in some insights? Maybe we’re missing one or two points?

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I understand she could've gotten her money, but I'm not sure where else she could've been a "whistleblower." if she posted anonymous posts about JK not paying interns, she'd have no audience. I think from what she said in the video even when she was not properly paid in time, she waited not cause she was ok with it but because JK is all her friends so she wouldnt just outright leave. she sent that email after the waiting seemed too long and she was concerned about JK's policies. 

Hi again! Here are the answers to your concern, point by point.

I understand she could’ve gotten her money, but I’m not sure where else she could’ve been a “whistleblower.” if she posted anonymous posts about JK not paying interns, she’d have no audience. 

One way: go to court if she really has proof. If and when she goes to court and she has the support of the other interns as she says she does, I don’t see how this can go bad for her. She also does not need an audience because internal affairs need not be known by the people not concerned with the issue.

I think from what she said in the video even when she was not properly paid in time, she waited not cause she was ok with it but because JK is all her friends so she wouldnt just outright leave.

I also watched the video again because I did not hear that she did not want to leave immediately because they are her friends, and true enough, she didn’t say that. She said, however, that she emailed them. We don’t know what she emailed, but she showed us snippets of the reply. So… one of the snippets that she showed has the following texts:

"Olivia, Everything that you stated above is invalid."

Clearly, there’s an email that we’re not seeing from Olivia. And this is how Olivia chose to word it in her video:

"they responded… by saying all the work I had done for them was invalid"

See how those two, despite containing almost the same words are DIFFERENT in MEANING?

she sent that email after the waiting seemed too long and she was concerned about JK’s policies.

She wasn’t concerned about the policies. Because if she was, she would’ve not accepted the internship. But she did.

I must also just put it in light that SHE CAN LEAVE IF SHE WANTED TO AFTER THE 12 MONTHS OF INTERNSHIP THAT SHE SAID SHE AGREED ON. BUT SHE DID NOT. Money wasn’t an issue before, you see? It clearly wasn’t. She has a business, she makes money to support herself. I don’t know, why all of a sudden, she wanted to get paid.

I also would like to reiterate that working for production companies as an intern does not necessarily qualify a person to be a paid one. Even if she says it’s illegal, an internship is not an actual job. That’s why people do not included it in their professional work background.

Another point on not paying interns being illegal: As per Olivia’s links, here are the six criterion:

- The internship is similar to training which would be given in an educational environment
- It’s for the benefit of the intern
- The intern doesn’t displace paid employees
- The employer doesn’t benefit from work the intern is doing, “and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded.”
- The intern isn’t promised a job at the end (unpaid “tryouts” aren’t allowed)
- Both the intern and their boss understand its an unpaid position

Now, a closer look.

The internship of Olivia, if that’s what she wants to call it and not volunteerism, was a training for her in many aspects. It allowed her to know how to operate cameras, find out how production works, and all the rest. Look back at some of Olivia’s old videos before JKF and see how poor they were as compared to now. She may say that at some point she got more subs than JKF, but she slacked off and CLEARLY got left behind.

It benefited her, the intern, because where do you think all these new subs came from? Yep, JKF.

Olivia obviously didn’t displace anyone.

Admit it, Olivia has impeded production a lot of times. Go back to JKNews and other JK videos and see her not being there when she should’ve been. She was never asked to report continuously. She may go as she please and she may not report to work ever. She claims that she established JK News, but all the time, we see her clueless as to what the news is about. Is that not impeding production?

She wasn’t promised a job because she was the one who offered to help. 

Olivia was okay with not being paid when she was still dating Joe. She went on with it for 12 months even after the meeting informing her that it will be unpaid.

It seems to me that if she really was an intern, JKF is not obligated to pay her.

We must also be aware that once, Olivia was like family. And people can go “but not paying your intern, even if she’s a member of the family is illegal.”

Okay then, let’s put it this way.

Olivia helped JKF for a long time. Olivia was considered family. Joe and Olivia broke up. Olivia demanded pay.

Now, let’s use an example.

A woman helped her mother-in-law with her business. The woman was considered family. Woman and man got a divorce. Woman demanded pay.

In short, it’s like asking for compensation because she no longer likes the family she’s helping. So, do you think she should post a ”they were using me this whole time” video with sad music to raise awareness about that too?

On top of that, how did Olivia calculate all her hours so precisely? Like how long did it take her to compute that. Makes me question and wonder… has she been planning this all these time? How and why did she suddenly realize this was wrong?

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most of your reasoning against Olivia seems to be the speculation that her relationship with joe and her desperate need for publicity fueled everything. that's all just assumption. I think she acted more as a whistleblower to the supposed actions of JK to let others know not to be in the same situation. she did not sue probably not to permanently damage old friendships. she did not leave because she wanted to stay, while being compensated. she also said she'll release emails if jk allows. 

Hi, thanks for your message. I appreciate the feedback and I look forward to more messages like this from other people just so we, the viewers, can have a healthy line of communication. One where we don’t need to bash each other and troll.

Now, on to your message: Speculations. I would like to reiterate that what you read was my take on the story, based on videos, observations and facts.

If she was, as per your belief, a whistle blower, then she should have gone somewhere else for her expose. And if she is a whistle blower, she should have known that her next step is to go to court and not to the public. This is beginning to look like trial by publicity.

Her SISTER is a LAWYER. If what she said is true at the beginning of the video that all she wants is to get paid and it’s nothing personal, then she should have seek the help of her sister who is completely capable of getting her what she wants, if it can be proven.

My observations are also based on the succeeding facts: Olivia admitted via a comment on her own video that she was in a meeting with the upper management of JKF prior to beginning to work with them to make sure that she will agree to an “unpaid internship.” The fact that she continued to work after that meeting just means that she was okay with it.

Even if we disregard the fact that Joe and him are together then, and no longer are now, everything still seems shady.

I would, however, say that JKF not releasing a statement only helps some people make assumptions. But I read in NMR that they are going to release one soon, so we should all look forward to that.

I also impose the following questions:

1. When did Olivia become acquainted with JKF and how did it happen?
2. Is it true that Olivia and Joe were in a relationship during her stint as a member of JKF?
3. When she was done with the 12 months of “unpaid internship” which she agreed on during the meeting, did she ask JKF about a formal job or compensation for her succeeding months of work?
4. If not, when did she raise her concern about being an “unpaid intern?”
5. The date stated above, was it during her relationship with Joe or after they broke up?
6. Did she or did she not share a house with the JK crew?
7. She said that she sometimes finds a crew shooting at her home without her knowledge. As a part of the JKF crew, did she not get copies of scripts from the upper management?
8. Did she or did she not receive compensation for the 6 months after her unpaid internship?

I would also like us to analyze the fact that production members, except if they are COMPLETELY OFFICE BASED, are not paid by the hour. This is just the truth.

Another point I would like us all to think about, “unpaid internships” does not really exist. PAID INTERNSHIP does. Normally, internships are not paid because they originated as a form to get college credits. And although admittedly, interns are helpful to any organization, companies can do without them. An intern should be paid if without him or her, the company would stop operation. That clearly did not happen when Olivia left.

If all interns will be paid minimum wage, then why on earth are they called interns and not employees?

And since everyone is already invested in this unpaid internship  thing, let’s go deeper into the YouTube scene. If this is the case, then a lot of the YouTube personalities we all watch and love are guilty. Take for example Meghan Camarena a.k.a. Strawburry17. Her company has a team of writers who are not paid for their contributions. I know because a friend of mine applied for the position. I guess, all of those who support Olivia should all be revolting against her too?

We’re also not sure that ALL INTERNS, as Olivia says, is not being paid. As per the law, as long as someone is receiving any form of compensation from a company for a job done, that is PAYMENT.

If I missed anything, then please, do let me know. In the end, I do hope that they can settle it out among themselves. They were, after all, once friends.

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I just wanted to say I agree with your post on Olivia and I am honestly surprised that Olivia would do that since she's always nice in the BTS or in the jknews videos. 

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capitanhysteria:

I haven’t blogged for a really long time. Mostly, I just reblog. One, because I have nothing important to say and two, because piecing words together takes time. Words mean something, and when they are sewn together, they create either something magical or something that can hurt. In the case of…

I understand all of this and agree with most of it. However, how do you know that Joe and Olivia were dating? They never really confirmed it. Also, you can’t really volunteer for a for-profit organization can you? Unless you’re a… You know… Unpaid intern…
But isn’t being an unpaid internship legal, just socially immoral?

I’m not defending any side, I’m just curious about these things.

Proof are in the videos: Go back to Halloween 2013 video, JKParty. Go back to Joe’s channel either December or January when he was in Hawaii. Try to figure out who the voice behind the camera was.

I volunteered to help my uncle’s business. I wasn’t paid for it. I wanted to help and didn’t ask anything for return. I, therefore, wasn’t an intern because an intern would have to report by the schedule. I helped once or twice. Hence, I was a volunteer.

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